 Comments on this auction |
 | Actually what i'm bidding for please? posted by: patronus (3  ) 11:36 pm, Fri 12 Aug |
 | They
are cell phone chips that protect you EMR electromagnetic waves that
are harmful to your health.Your cell phones anntenna emits these waves
of all the time. |
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| | i stoped useing cell phones for that reson
but how do we know that it works,
does it weaken the service? posted by: tomuchofme (20  ) 8:43 pm, Sat 13 Aug |
| | well
you can do a couple of physical tests but i would have to show you in
person.No these chips dont interfere with the signal of the cell
phone.The chips work in a positive negative way, when the cell phones
anntenna emit these (electro magnetic radiation) waves the chip
transmits opposite waves to neutralise the dangerous waves of your
phone. |
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| | so there is no way of it malfunctioning like if it get droper in water?
it wont be doubling the emw? posted by: tomuchofme (20 ) 10:42 pm, Sat 13 Aug |
| | No
definitly not it wont change any EMR rate at allthe phone wont go too
good if you get it wet anyway.The chip will only be working if your
cell phone is switched on & trying to get signal from towers. |
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| | how big is it
what do u need to install it
can you detatch it to put it in a different phone
how much more power does it use
does it fit ll phones posted by: tomuchofme (20 ) 2:17 pm, Sun 14 Aug |
| | you
put it in the back off the phone under the battery.Yes you can move the
chip when you update your phone.The chip doesnt use power from the
phone it works when it detects the signals from the cell phones
anntenna. |
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| | does it fit any phone? posted by: tomuchofme (20 ) 5:24 pm, Sun 14 Aug |
| | yes it fits on all mobile phones. These chips are paper-thin and the size of a 40c stamp. |
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| | How
does this chip know to block EMR only in the direction of your head and
not the waves required to go the the tower and achieve communication
with the cell tower? My Electrical Engineering degree would have me
believe that a device capable of cancelling out EMR requires advanced
signal processing devices... posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 4:14 pm, Wed 17 Aug |
| | These chips dont block the EMR waves that your phone emits it neutralise's them.Yes this little devices are state of the art. |
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| | Also
if I install this chip backwards am I in danger of doubling the amount
of EMR irradiating my head? I'm sorry to say but I think someone has
gypped you into believing a lie. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 4:22 pm, Wed 17 Aug |
| | yeh
well you need to look & open your eyes a wee bit more!!!I think you
should do a wee bit more reading too.Backwards...right! |
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| | Also,
even if this did work, what about the EMR coming from the tower to my
mobile phone, through my head. Do I need to install a second device at
the cell tower illegally? posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 4:24 pm, Wed 17 Aug |
| | no
you wouldnt need to do that if the EMR that your phone from its
anntenna.The chip emits an opposite wave to nuetralise wave that the
phone emits.So in that case you wont have to go to the cell phone tower
& do anything illegal......but thats your call. |
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| | Note:
Tinfoil Hat NOT Included. You could fashion one out of household
tinfoil and it'd probably do a better job than this
'device'. posted by: jeffbridges (0 ) 4:30 pm, Wed 17 Aug |
| | how would you know?????Do you work for which phone company? |
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| | Isn't
it illegal to sell devices which knowingly interfere with the operation
of another device? Oh wait, let me answer that for you: it
is. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 6:04 pm, Wed 17 Aug |
| | Who said it interfere's with anything? |
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| | You
did. It interferes with what the cellphone transmits, and if it's
"neutralising" waves that are emitted in one direction (towards the
user's head) it is also "neutralising" waves in the other direction.
Either way, the cellphone will not be able to communicate with the cell
tower, thus rendering it useless. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 7:35 pm, Wed 17 Aug |
| | Wrong
there Ben, have a look at my answers.The waves arnt pointing at the
users head, the cell phones anntenna points in what direction????up
isnt it?So your phone wont be useless at all.It will operate as usual. |
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| | So
are you saying that because the antennae points up the waves radiate
upwards? If this were true, it would mean that a cellphone would only
be able to communicate with a cell-tower directly above it, which is
obviously not the case. Secondly, if all waves radiated upwards then
none would go through your head, right? Therefore this device you are
selling is redundant. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 8:48 pm, Wed 17 Aug |
| | sounds
like you have got what?... going through your head?better go & load
another disc up a....never know what you will get... |
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| | You state you have medical evidence supporting this... Care to provide a link to this - it sounds very interesting. posted by: neil.gardner (114  ) 9:08 pm, Wed 17 Aug |
| | Sure go to www.willauTronic.com There's a lot of food for thought there. |
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| | So
where is this evidence you supposedly have? Being an Electrical
Engineer I would be quite interested in a technical explanation of the
workings of this thing... Right now all you've succeeded in doing is
convincing me you know absolutely nothing about RF Communication
Systems... posted by: jeffbridges (0 ) 9:15 pm, Wed 17 Aug |
| | as above. |
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| | But
that site states: At present there are no known reliable scientific
medical instrumentation to consistently prove the positive effects of
these devices. posted by: jeffbridges (0 ) 9:19 pm, Wed 17 Aug |
| | there are very simple ways to prove that these work.I can get a demonstration for you if you like?
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| | shut the *hell* up and read: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs193/en/
You placebo peddling hypochondriacal hippy posted by: ub3rdet (13 ) 9:21 pm, Wed 17 Aug |
| | ............ |
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| | Points
3 and 4 on the page http://www.willau.com/faq.php?id=0&flag=us
suggest that any benefits experienced from using this product are
purely placebo. The only real benefit will be to the seller making a
large profit on a 3c sticker. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 9:23 pm, Wed 17 Aug |
| | well thats your call.keep your mircowave on ya head then a. |
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| | I don't have a *mircowave* on my head, you JACKASS.
Read the damn url.
microwave freq is >2.5Ghz if I recall correctly, FAR higher than that of GSM, and CDMA's frequencies.
GOD DAMN, you are an idiot.
posted by: ub3rdet (13 ) 10:14 pm, Wed 17 Aug |
| | well good to know you got 1 thing right TOSSPOT!!! |
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| | Seller Comment: "ub3rdet"your hot link was as dated as you.....2000 i recall!!!! |
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| | His
link may be dated, however the physical effects of cell-phones are not
going to change. If anything, their effects on humans will decrease
over time as new models and more cell towers allow for lower
transmission power. Besides, that's a moot point. The main issue here
is that you are selling a device which claims to do something which is
physically impossible. Please clarify how it is powered. If it draws
power from the phone then it must shorten the phone's standby and talk
time. By how m posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 12:23 am, Thu 18 Aug |
| | Yes
you are right about 1 thing in this question.His document is dated.But
that is only one opinion ive got several for you to look at if you are
interested from people since 1982, can they all be wrong????The chip
works when the cell phone is switched on & trying to get signal
from tower.Well if you think its impossible fine thats your call.No it
wont shorten any stand by time with receiving incoming & outgoing
calls & normal use of the phone. |
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| | Apologies,
comment box is too small. If this device draws power from the phone,
then by how much is the phone's battery life decreased. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 12:24 am, Thu 18 Aug |
| | Wells
tests that have been done on the life of a normal battery of a cell
phone.After a year or so you do notice a drop in the battery hold time
of a charge but this is normal with batteries as they get older &
spend more time on the charger. With normal use it doesnt have any life
shorting with the use of this device with the ph.Ive had mine in two
phones now with no problems what so ever. |
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| | If
it doesn't shorten the battery life then it obviously isn't drawing any
power from the battery, so where is the device's power coming from?
Thin air? The only way that would work is if it could somewhow induce a
current to power itself, which is HIGHLY IMPOSSIBLE from a DC source
(which is what your phone battery is, and there's not going to be any
other power sources around.) posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 10:45 am, Thu 18 Aug |
| | The device detects from from the signal that your cell phones anntenna emits.Its a fully enclosed circut. |
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| | Unless
this device can operate without power, which again is COMPLETELY AND
UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE. From your descriptions you expect it to transmit a
wave to cancel out the cell-phone's transmission. If the cell-phone
transmits at 1mW, for example, then the device must also. It is
IMPOSSIBLE for a device to generate a 1mW signal from no power. You
can't get something from nothing. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 10:49 am, Thu 18 Aug |
| | It
doesnt need power.You will find that cell phones emit 0-2.5mW &
they are all different from phone to phone.The signal from tower will
vary too depending on now hard your phone is trying to get signal to
preform its normal duties.So there will be higher rates RF/EMR going
through handpiece at different times which in affect gives you periods
of exposure which is the health concern.
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| | Once
again all you have done is succeeded in convincing me that you have no
understanding in even basic physics. You are saying this device works
by generating "neutralising" waves that cancel out the cell-phone's
waves (in accordance with the superposition theory). Regardless of the
power the cell-phone transmits at the device must generate an EQUAL and
OPPOSITE wave to "neutralise" with. This is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT
IMPOSSIBLE if it doesn't use power. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 12:39 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
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| | You
might want to check TradeMe's Terms and Conditions, it is a violation
of them to post email addresses in questions/answers on an auction.
Regardless, I don't see the point in emailing you: any crackpot
theories you have can be posted here in public where anyone can see
them, and you dig your hole deeper and deeper. Unless it's a document
of some form that you have no where to hose online, in which case I
will gladly host and debunk it for you. Keep in touch. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 1:58 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
| | its
just anyother sentence not an email addy ok.Might have the same result
but all within the rules.Proof is in the pudding ben.I can get some of
my colleague's to show you a simple demonstration if you so like its up
to you. |
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| | Above question should read "host online" not "hose". posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 2:04 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
| | .................... |
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| | Perhaps
you can first describe this test, so I can see if it's worth wasting my
time on, or just another one of your misguided unscientific crackpot
theories. Also, you have posted an email address, obviously, as you
want me to email you, circumventing TradeMe. This is clearly againts
their terms and conditions. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 3:24 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
| | well
you arn't being straight up front,with all your so called theories or
info so why would i waste my time explaining the proof thats
available.thanx for wasting everyones time with your opinions. |
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| | I
have been up-front, and provided proper scientific facts rather than
opinions and mistruths. All you're doing is saying that you have proof
that this works and not divulging it. At least say what these tests are
if you're so sure of them, e.g "after installing the device in my phone
EMR detectors shows a 50% decrease in radiated waves" or some such. I
can draw you some pictures if that would make it easier for you to
understand why this thing will never work. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 4:02 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
| | I
gave you my email address so I could email you back some of the
evidence I have,if you choose not to then why keep the banter up on
here..... |
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| | I'm afraid that if I email you I'll wind up on one of your spam lists (http://kenhuttons.tripod.com/). posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 5:12 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
| | ok,
your choice but I think everyone on trademe has had enough of your
opinions. You have yours and I have mine....I'll stick to mine thanks
and you believe what you want! |
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| | I
would have thought everyone on TradeMe had had enough of people trying
to scam money by selling products that don't work... and also spam
email. I know you won't publicly admit that this product doesn't work,
as you would be out of a sale, and that's obviously more important than
morality to you. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 5:26 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
| | yea yea |
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| | Maybe
some pictures and more explanatory words will help convince you and
other TradeMe users why this device doesn't work:
http://www.beneboy.com/emrblocker/ posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 6:11 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
| | I have plenty of pictures and documents to show you but its your choice not to provide me with your email address |
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| | How
do I know you haven't just written these documents yourself? Email
address is on the above linked page anyway, down the bottom. Did you
even read it? Just please don't add me to your non-spam bulk email
lists. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 6:32 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
| | yes Im just reading your theory now, lol,you have been busy havent you!! I will email you some documents soon. |
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| | I would appreciate it if you would stop calling these proven scientific facts 'theories'. posted by: jeffbridges (0 ) 6:44 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
| | well isnt theories the proven way too establish facts? |
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| | My
"theories" as you call them are already facts. Your theories are the
opposite of mine, and thus the opposite of facts. Hint: that means
they're wrong. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 7:00 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
| | nice to see that you got graphs right well done.Hold your line of thought there. |
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| | Yes
but cellular systems are more than one of those 'it might work'
theories... They have been operating for a considerable period of time,
using well documented methods... posted by: jeffbridges (0 ) 7:24 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
| | Yes
that right the studies have been going since 1982 when the digital
network went live.This isnt a new theory.Scientists from all over the
world have been studies the effects EMR. |
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| | Still waiting for the documents buddy...or have you got confused and started spamming me instead? posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 7:25 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
| | you will receive it ben. |
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| | Seller
Comment: Hey benny boy got some info for you cant the addy
be a real one?????If you can read there is a book that you might want
to spend some time with!!!"A Handy Way to fry your brain" "jeffbridges"
"ieee1394"you should read this & learn a thing or too about the
dangers! |
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| | Um,
you miss the point. Whether the waves are harmful or not is moot, I
couldn't care less if they did, I'm waiting for the documents that
prove this device works. Nothing you have said would convince me or
anyone else with a scientific or engineering background that it does.
Are you still fabricating some documents there? Nothing received
yet. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 8:53 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
| | check your emails b---boy!!!! |
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| | "A
Handy Way To Fry Your Brain" doesn't seem to exist in Amazon's
database, nor are there any references to it in the IEEExplore
Database. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 8:55 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
| | author is DR R.James S.James |
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| | So
I'm supposed to believe this book over numerous studies that came to
the conclusion that there is no scientific proof cellphones are
dangerous? Should I be buying multiple of these devices to stick to my
head to protect it from damage from other devices using a similar
transmission frequency? I don't think so... posted by: jeffbridges (0 ) 9:01 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
| | You
have got that right jeff but the simple facts are that cell phones come
in contact with your head when you them right?The thing is that you
subjecting yourself to these EMR waves all the time your cell phone is
switched on & because you have it with you most of the time if you
use them of course.The 0-2.5mW might seem in effective but as you know
the handset heats up as you are using it there lies the danger to your
bodies makeup DNA.Which can be broken down by the EMR/RF. |
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| | I
believe the HANDset heats up because it would be typically held in a
HAND. We are constantly being subjected to waves from other
transmission sources... Though I may not hold a UHF television
transmittor close to my head, the power output can easily be 100kW+...
Cellphones are not the only trasmitting devices out there... posted by: jeffbridges (0 ) 9:18 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
| | Yes
thats right you are being subjected to them through tvs,mircowave
oven,cordless phones etc but cell phones are with you more od the time
& you are putting them close to your head.They also vary in the mWs
that they put out from the towers. |
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| | If
you're trying to convince me of something by sending me a scan of a
book, you might want to make it legible. Picture is posted here:
http://www.beneboy.com/emrblocker/ The scanned text is eligible, and as
expected, as waste of time. Besides which, you still miss the point. I
DON'T CARE ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF CELLPHONES. I AM NOT TRYING TO
(DIS)PROVE THEY ARE HARMFUL. I AM JUST TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU THAT YOUR
DEVICE DOESN'T WORK, AND HAVE DONE SO TIME AND TIME AGAIN. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 9:35 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
| | YES
BEN WELL IVE TOLD YOU TIME & TIME AGAIN THAT I WILL DEMONSTRATE IT
TO YOU IN PERSON!!!!Give me your address & i will have some one
come round & show you.......Do you understand that? |
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| | Dr. Phil is a "Dr." too... posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 9:36 pm, Thu 18 Aug |
| | ben try DR Masaru Emoto you will have no trouble in finding him in yoiur yahoo search engine!!! |
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| | I
know it's against Trade Me's terms and conditions to try and bypass the
auction process, but I'd really appreciate it if you could post your
dealer's contact number up here. Sounds like he/she sells some good
quality stuff. However, you may want to check what you're buying,
because it looks to me like what you think is P is really crack
cocaine. Thank you and good day. posted by: mj6850 (17 ) 12:17 am, Fri 19 Aug |
| | Micheal i suggest you go back to your crack house & get a better fix!!!!!sounds like you need it.... |
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| | I'm
not sure I want to give you my address... you seem like the kind of guy
who would break into my house if you didn't like the colour of my front
door. I would, however, be perfectly happy having one of your
representatives meeting with me at The University of Auckland's
Electrical and Computer Engineering Department. I'm sure my colleagues
here and I would have no problem ripping your little scam to
pieces. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 10:42 am, Fri 19 Aug |
| | well if thats what you think you can do go for it!!i will get one of the jaffas in your area to show you something new. |
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| | The
term is JAFA... you damn yokel. When is a good time for this
demonstration? If it can be proved scientifically that the device works
I will buy one on the spot. I think my money's safe... posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 1:02 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | Well addy is useful & i will get a person to come round to you & demonstrate. |
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| | I have Electronics background as well and I find this conversation slightly amusing.
Better way to avoid cellphone EMF radiation is to have a handsfree kit. Or use handsfree speaker option if there is one?
What sort of measuring equipments do you need to install your miracle device? posted by: gadgetman (66  ) 4:16 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | yeh
well the handsfree kit is fine for car/office.The handsfree speaker
option is a good one but who makes them?You dont need any equipment at
all just put them on the back of your cell phone battery.They are about
the size of a 20c piece very small. |
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| | They probably cost you 20 cents as well.
Are you making much money selling these ripoffs? posted by: gadgetman (66 ) 4:27 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | how would you know its a rip off harry? |
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| | Why is there a picture of my daughter on this auction? posted by: mally2 (9 ) 4:42 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | whos daughter? |
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| | "how would you know its a rip off harry?" Because it doesn't do anything... or should I say, it doesn't DO ANYTHING. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 4:55 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | ben
why dont you go learn something at unversity & take all those
emails & pictures i sent you.Your teacher might be interested too. |
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| | Send
your rep to: Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering,
Building 303, 23 Symonds Street, Auckland. Any time after noon on
Monday is good. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 5:05 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | take your pictures to your professor/tutor ben...then i will make some arrangements for you. |
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| | Teacher?
Since when were there teachers at university? Do you have any education
at all? Have already shared this auction with various academics and
they all think you're on crack too. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 5:07 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | sweet good for you. |
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| | And stealing pictures of children to promote your shoddy products? That's just low. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 5:09 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | Look Ben, nobody stole any pictures of any kids, this picture is of my daughter. |
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| | my
daughter, in the picture in your auction. I don't think you have asked
for permission to have her photo in your auction. posted by: mally2 (9 ) 5:14 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | Excuse me but this is my daughter that I have a picture of on my auction!!! And yes I asked her permission thank you very much!! |
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| | http://www.fda.gov/cellphones/qa.html#6a
Do wireless phone accessories that claim to shield the head from RF
radiation work?
Since there are no known risks from exposure to RF emissions from
wireless phones, there is no reason to believe that accessories that
claim to shield the head from those emissions reduce risks. Some
products that claim to shield the user from RF absorption use special
phone cases, while others involve nothing more than a metallic
accessory attached to the phone. Stud posted by: gadgetman (66 ) 5:15 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | Harry
you pushover!!!Your FCC admits that there health concrerns!!!!!!Cant
they solve a problem??What would this mean to you?
"
Cooperate in providing users of wireless phones with the best possible
information on possible effects of wireless phone use on human health "
They also say they dont have accurate R/F reading on there products so
why would you waste your time believing all there stories?Yes they have
limits too R/F exposure but dont have the people to keep company's
doing what they |
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| | Studies
have shown that these products generally do not work as advertised.
Unlike "hand-free" kits, these so-called "shields" may interfere with
proper operation of the phone. The phone may be forced to boost its
power to compensate, leading to an increase in RF absorption. In
February 2002, the Federal trade Commission (FTC) charged two companies
that sold devices that claimed to protect wireless phone users from
radiation with making false and unsubstantiated claims. According to
FTC, these posted by: gadgetman (66 ) 5:17 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | Studies
of these devices show that they do work.FTC havnt really done all there
home work mate.Good that they took some fraudsters too task.Do you know
that not everything that is envented doesnt work? |
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| | Were
you and mally2 once married? You seem to have the same daughter.
Perhaps you should settle your custody disputes in the
courtroom? posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 6:40 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | good on ya! |
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| | Could you please answer the other 4 questions on this auction. Please :) Thanks. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 6:58 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | they are all yours dropflop! |
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| | "take
your pictures to your professor/tutor ben...then i will make some
arrangements for you." I have. Arrange for me a meeting! Or am I
calling your bluff? Ha ha! posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 7:05 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | No bluff here beneboy..... |
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| | How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood. Ha ha! Wood. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 7:11 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | .........lol |
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| | I
have some headlight fluid if you'd like to buy some? Also some mystery
CDs you could strap to your head to reflect nasty waves. posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 7:13 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | have another latte...... |
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| | "Studies of these devices show that they do work." Studies, what studies? Pics or it didn't happen! posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 7:16 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | yeh thats right....yourve got pics!!!! |
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| | So
when am I gonna meet your rep? Does he exist or is he a figment of your
imagination, like the fact that these chips work? posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 7:19 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | yeh i will get on my cell phone this weekend!!! |
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| | You mean latté? posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 7:21 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
| | spinner!!!69 "JAFA" |
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| | If
the auction finishes without the reserve being met can you give me a
fixed price offer? I could use a fire starter. A twisted fire starter.
Ha ha, latte... posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 7:23 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
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| | Don't talk on your cell-phone too long. You might brain your damage! posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 7:24 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
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| | What the hell crack are you on? I don't understand your stupid backwoods slang... posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 7:25 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
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| | Do you have any more hardcore pornography magazines to sell? Does your wife know you peddle this filth? posted by: ieee1394 (11 ) 7:26 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
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| | Ken,
I would like to thank you greatly for the entertainment you have
provided. It appears that this auction will not meet reserve, can you
please relist it so that we can continue to be entertained? Thank you
in advance, and good day. posted by: mj6850 (17 ) 7:27 pm, Fri 19 Aug |
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